Clinton Wants Florida and Michigan Delegates Seated at Convention

The Delegates from Michigan and Florida WILL be seated @ the Convention!

Anyone old enough, and has followed the Democrat Conventions, a few elections ago, an attempt was mad to not permit the California Delegation to be seated, and Willie Brown, a very vocal Black Delegate from California, hit the Convention floor and screamed " I WANT MY DELEGATES" "SEAT MY DELEGATES", and the delegated were seated and voted, and Willie went on to become the most powerful politician in the State of California, until Calif. passed term limits.

Any candidate @ the Democrat Convention that opposes the seating of the delegates from Michigan and Florida will be defeated.

Hillary interrupts, obfiscates and deflects or lies during debates, refusing to honor time limits;
Bill walks the Nevada Caucus floors (voter intimidation?) when Union leaders cannot and violating established rules after attempts to use lawsuits to STOP Causing at work locations when the Union backs Mr. Obama;
Bill, red-faced, threatens to walk door-to-door in SC to the homes of African-Americans (to do what?) w/his Secret Service contingency?
Bill (a former US President) and Hillary (a sitting US Senator from NYS) LIE about Mr. Obama's public statements on a wide variety of matters and when Bill is questioned by reporters, he POINTS IN THEIR FACES AND/OR FINGER WAGS OR MAKES DEMEANING STATEMENTS LIKE "SHAME ON YOU" (from a President who lied under Oath and was Impeached).

Changing the RULES or ESTABLISHED RULES OF ENGAGEMENT to suit themselves, blatently DISRESPECTING anyone/anything who doesn't do/say what they want is the Clinton game. Ditto Karl Rove over the last 7 years. We don't believe in RULING FAMILIES in America. We also don't have THUG MOB FAMILIES running America either. Now, today the Clintons' Communications Director says Mr. Obama doesn't respect/want Florida's delegates. MORE LIES and game changing. Where are our JOURNALISTS??? Challenge the daily LIES, DAILY? Turn the page.

A President Like My Father - Op-Ed, NYT - Sunday - 1/27/08 - Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27kennedy.html?hp

YES WE CAN!

You have to be a Republican to say something that stupid. We as Democrats need Florida votes to win the General election. We don't need to alienate Democratic voters in Florida (or Michigan) by excluding them from the process. I think we should have all the primaries vote on the same day. This would prevent one or two states from choosing the canidate for all of us. As for electibility, Obama will not win the general election. I was a Harold Ford Jr. supporter and voter in Tennessee and he lost. The RNC did awful things to him including an ad of a blond white woman asking him to call her. The Clintons have done nothing to Obama as compared to what the RNC and Carl Rove and company will do to him in November.

Seat the delegates! All those people in Florida and Michigan voted and it is their constitutional right to have their votes count. Howard Dean - what a stupid, autocratic decision.

If Barak Hussein Obama (for Allahs sake his middle name is Hussein, the name of the grandson of Mohammed) wins the nomination due to Florida and Michigan being left out of the vote. I will be voting for John McCain.
Why does the mainstream media not discuss his Muslim background?

I think the Florida and Michigan delegates should be seated. How can you hold an election when over a million voters voices are not heard?

I attended a caucus and Obama people bussed in people once the place was full of Hillary voters. The doors were never locked, the rules were never followed. Those who arrived after 7:00PM were heard. The caucus rules were broken and it was sad. The state officials used the argument that everyone's vote should count.

Obama people want it both ways. Break the rules to win a caucus and let those voices be heard. Since Florida and Michigan are larger than the caucus states, we should squelch their voices as they don't say what we want to hear.

How does a Democrat get into the White House when they can't win big Democratic states? How does a Democrat win the White House when they can't win California, New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts and Florida?

It seems to me the Democrats want four more years of the same as they seem to be trying to lose this election. The party is more splintered than ever.

All these Obama people threaten to vote for McCain if Hillary wins. The true blue Democrats voting for Hillary are likely to vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination as well. I think the Hillary people are just too polite to say that if the caucus attendees are reflective of the actual voters.

I'm not though.

Michigan: Clinton, Obama, and Edwards all agreed not to campaign -- as asked by the DNC -- and Obama and Edwards had their names removed from the ballot. Clinton however did not, and she won a majority of Michigan delegates as the only candidate on the ballot (although 40% or so still voted 'undecided')

Florida: All three candidates again pledged not to campaign in Florida, although their names were still on the ballot. In this case, Clinton and Obama (to a lesser extent) campaigned via proxies and "fundraisers" in that state shortly before the election.

In both cases, the rules were simple: neither state would award delegates.

Now, AFTER the fact, Clinton is trying to get the Michigan and Florida delegates seated because "their voices should be heard." While I don't disagree in principle, this a clear example of 'the-ends-justify-the-means' mentality of politics that absolutely needs to go. If Obama had won those delegates and was fighting to get them seated, the Clintons would be going completely berserk...no doubt about it.

Plain and simple, if these delegates get seated and make the difference in Clinton's favor, she will have taken the nomination by underhanded trickery. Not only that, but she will get crucified in the general election for doing anything (even cheating) to win the election.

Hillary, if you can't beat Obama in evenly contested cases, you don't deserve the nomination. If you can, then it should be yours. But get your cheating the *(#@ out of here.

I am a 40 year democrat that will be voting republican in Nov. I am sick of all this and it has made my decision for me. I also don't like the fact that so many democrats would vote for a man that does not have substances but instead "star" power as my family calls it.
COME ON AMERICA. THIS IS NOT THE NEW AMERICAN IDOL HERE BUT A RACE FOR THE PRESIDENTCY. One can make all the promises he might say but how do WE KNOW HE WILL PRODUCE. IF YOU ALL REMEMBER Bush, back in 1999, promised "change" as well in many of his speeches. He too had little substance WITH HIS speeches, not EXPLAINING full plans and all. Sure his speeches weren't as INSPIRATIONAL as Obama but still the same type of rhetoric. AND MANY "OUT OF TOUCH" citizens voted for him.
Let's all think too. I can remember the Kennedy administration. He was a good PRESIDENT but not GREAT. If you want to know greatness then look at history. The presidents that have to come in and fix messes to me are the BEST as well. Whoever becomes the president he/she WILL HAVE THAT TASK AS WELL.
GOD BESS AMERICA.... and now let's all research the candidates well
ALL DO YOUR HOMEWORK and really look into each candidate. Don't just go by their words .
ACTIONS ARE BIGGER THAN WORDS! (look at how a candidate voted on the issues. :)

It is very unfortunate that the voters in Michigan and Florida are not involved in this primary, because their voices should surely contribute to the nomination of the strongest candidate. However, it is their own fault! These states were trying to be "more important" in the race and moved their races to earlier dates, against party rules. They knew exactly what they were getting into.

If all candidates had been campaigning in these states, the votes would mean something, but they did not. Seating delegates from these races would be unfair. It is similar to changing a state's allocation of Electoral College votes from winner-take-all to proportional after the election takes place. People campaign and vote under one set of rules, and voters vote under the same set. To declare a winner from another set of rules is unfair altogether.

If these delegates are seated and Hillary wins the nomination because of this, it will destroy her viability as a candidate in the general election. Why did she not protest this decision until the other candidates removed their names from the ballots? Is it the same reason her supporters did not try to eliminate the downtown caucuses in Las Vegas until after the Culinary Worker's Union endorsed Obama? It all stinks of dirty politics.

So yes, it is unfortunate - but this grievance should have been raised before the campaign and election took place. There was plenty of time.

I think a decent compromise could be to seat the "super delegates" from these states, since those individuals were determined in advance. That way, they can still represent their state and their party, and contribute to the discussion and decision, but avoid the bias that would be introduced by adding delegates appointed from an unfair election. Just a suggestion!

I hope the party realizes how important this is. They need to do some major publicity. Those of you who said you would boycott the Democrats if they don't seat these delegates - please consider the full picture. The states made the voluntary choice to break party rules, knowing what it would lead to. The contest was not what it would have been, and therefore, the voters never got a chance to express what they would have actually wanted, were they campaigned to properly.

Laurie,

I'm pretty sure the founding fathers had other things to worry about back then considering there was not a democrat party let alone a primary, so please explain how they would set the rules for their national convention when the first one wasn't held until 1832? I guess they should have gone ahead and wrote rules on what the citizens of America should do when the government is broke (like many politicians today have admitted to freely on public air waves) that we should take the government back by force if we need to when the politicians become self-serving and corrupt. But if we go by that document; our constitution, we are terrorist.

So don't blame it on the founders, blame it on the corrupt two-party idiots you idolize and serve.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

Michigan and Florida voters did not decide to change the date of their primaries and they should not be disinfranchised because their misguided leaders made that decision. Obama and Edwards decided to take their names off the ballots. That was their decision. They both knew that there was a possibility that the delegates could be seated. Now Obama is crying because he was inexperienced and decided to remove his name from the MI and FL ballots. What would he do when he made a tactical mistake if he were president. He simply doesn't think ahead. This is just another example that he lacks the necessary experience to be the president. The DNC has yet again come up with a stupid decision which has only created division within the party. I actually thought there was a good chance of getting a democrat in the white house this time. Well the DNC can cry once again when McCain gets elected. If MI and FL delegates are not seated and Obama gets the nomination, I will certainly vote for an experienced McCain over a naive and inexperienced Obama.

The shame is that the voters did not decide the date of the primaries in FLA or MI with full knowledge of the possible consequences. And I do mean shame. State party leaders probably thought that because their states carried so many delegates and Nov votes that they could get away with it. The vast majority of voters don't even know the process of becoming a delegate. It's hugely complicated and many county or local dem party chairs don't even know the process that well. The punishment should have been to remove those leaders, not punish the voters.

Now, it was Dean & NH and Iowa who had the big problem with FLA and MI not the whole rest of the party nationwide.

There are loads of members of the democratic party all across the nation who probably didn't understand the complexity of the issue, but really didn't care enough about primary dates in other states to care one way or another. If you took a vote among every dem party member-- not just the DLC or that gang--but all the members back before this got so out of control I would bet anything that they would have voted overwhelmingly to seat all delegates. That's the nature of our party members; to not exclude people based on crappy decisions by a handful of "leaders"
Both candidate did proxy campaigning in FLA so there should be no finger pointing going on over this. And, Obama knew he would not have carried MI so he didn't bother with that state at all. At least Hillary showed them some respect and didn't ask to have her name removed.
Traditionally out of state college students never voted in Iowa, Obama changed that with loading the caucuses with them. So, don't go saying the Clintons are pulling anything shady without scrutinizing the big O too.
And, read this about Obama's campaign in Racine, WI. This will be an eye opener. This is from the Racine Journal times.
"Beverly Hicks, director of the Racine branch of the NAACP, said she was surprised when she saw news of the Obama event on TV Tuesday morning. During the time she has been director, for the two previous elections, the organization always received calls from the headquarters of campaigns inviting members to events. This time, she was not notified. She called the rally organizer, who offered her two tickets. Normally, Hicks said, the organization gets at least 20 to 25 tickets.
“I was somewhat upset with how that whole thing went down,” she said. “It was like a slap in the face.”

The people running the Obama campaign in Racine were all upscale whites, Racine has the second largest Black population in WI. well, there's some real inclusion, huh? People with money-front row seats, poor folks in the back. Real progressive politics.........

Until this I was on the fence, not anymore.

Here we go again....Florida voters being disenfranchised and their votes won't count toward delegates. Likewise for Michigan. It's about time the DNC recognizes that the PEOPLE are their backbone and their source of income. Cut us out and you will lose a large group of usually faithful voters. The DNC made exceptions for other states to vote prior to the "BIG DATE" and their delegates were not excluded. Stop playing by "one-day rules" and give the votes to the candidates and let their delegates be seated.
We have brave men and women fighting in Iraq to let people have the right to vote and here we are in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, and our votes won't count?
Remember folks, this is America not Nazi Germany!

Classic Hillary Clinton. Follow the rules unless they hurt you, in which case, break the rules. If the roles were reversed, she would be screaming her head off that Obama was trying to steal the convention by dismissing the rules that the DNC laid out a year ago. She's easily the most transparent politician in the world.