John McCain and the Chicken Barack Strategy

The debate over debates – or more precisely, the debate over joint appearances – has begun this year earlier than ever.
Both John McCain and Barack Obama are months away from formally cementing their respective parties’ nominations, but that didn’t stop McCain from proposing a series of 10 town hall-style forums featuring both candidates over the summer months. Not surprisingly, Obama’s campaign didn’t exactly embrace the challenge, and now McCain seems to believe he has an issue with which to score political points.
He’s been highlighting Obama’s reluctance at campaign stops and showed up in New York last week at the site he’d proposed for the first forum.
“This would have been a little more interesting tonight if Senator Obama had accepted my request,” McCain told the crowd. For now, McCain plans to repeat this same trick every week between now and the conventions, appearing at his nine other proposed town hall venues and mocking his presumptive fall foe for not showing.
There’s nothing new about this tactic, of course, at any level of politics. But only under very specific and high-profile circumstances does it ever amount to anything. Otherwise, the recent example of New Jersey Congressman Rob Andrews, who challenged Senator Frank Lautenberg in this month’s Democratic primary, is the rule. Andrews made Lautenberg’s refusal to debate him the centerpiece of his campaign, spending heavily on television ads that hammered the incumbent senator on the subject. Andrews lost by 25 points. No one cared.
The presidential level is a little different than statewide politics. The general public is far more engaged in the process and in the modern era has come to expect that the candidates will meet in a series of debates in the fall. That hasn’t stopped the candidates from posturing – like McCain and Obama have lately – but only two candidates have ever paid a price for how they handled the debate over debates: Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H. W. Bush in 1992.
Debates still weren’t quite part of the presidential campaign tradition when Carter sought reelection in 1980. Besides the Kennedy-Nixon debates of 1960, only the 1976 campaign between Carter and Gerald Ford had featured head-to-head encounters between the candidates. But Carter had publicly credited his '76 victory to those debates and very early on in his reelection campaign pledged to participate again. So did Ronald Reagan, who emerged as the Republican nominee.
The trouble for Carter was that a third major candidate, Illinois Congressman John B. Anderson, entered the race as an independent, after his bid for the Republican nomination failed. A liberal Republican who was out of step with the Reagan wing of the G.O.P., Anderson was seen as far more likely to draw votes from Carter (even though polls would ultimately refute this notion). By early September, Carter and Reagan were running even in the polls, with Anderson drawing around 15 percent. That was enough for the League of Women Voters, which was then the chief facilitator of presidential debates, to invite Anderson to its first debate, on Sept. 21. Carter, who derisively called Anderson “an invention of the media,” refused to participate.
That posture played right into Reagan’s hands. One of Carter’s main liabilities was the perception of weakness, and now he seemed to be confirming it.
“I’ve said from the very first that if Anderson is a viable candidate, he should be a part of the debate,” Reagan said. “I can’t for the life of me understand why Mr. Carter is so afraid of him.”
By a 3-2 margin, polls showed that voters thought Carter was wrong to skip the debate, which went off without him. The television audience was small, but the mere fact that Carter didn’t show up was all that mattered. One pre-debate poll had shown Carter leading Reagan by four points. After the debate, the same survey had Reagan up five.
Only a month later, after Anderson had faded badly and the League of Women Voters decided not to include him in any more debates, did Carter agree to square off with Reagan. That encounter was what ultimately did Carter in – “There you go again,” was one of the memorable Reagan lines of the night – but his tone-deaf posture in September badly harmed him.
Twelve years later, Bush found himself in similar, though not quite as severe, trouble. By then, the bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates had taken over for the League of Women Voters, and in '92 the commission scheduled a series of three debates between Bush and Bill Clinton to start in late September.
But Bush balked. The commission called for a single moderator, but Bush wanted a panel of questioners. The commission wouldn’t budge, so Bush refused to participate. Meanwhile, Clinton accepted the commission’s plan without reservation. As the date of the commission’s first scheduled debate neared and then passed, Democratic volunteers began showing up at Bush events dressed as chickens, belittling “Chicken George” for refusing to debate. The stunt earned considerable media coverage – and plainly agitated the president, who began singling out the costumed chickens for reprisal during his campaign appearances.
“You talking about the draft record chicken or are you talking about the chicken in the Arkansas River?” Bush demanded at one event. “Which one are you talking about? Which one? Get out of here. Maybe it’s the draft. Is that what’s bothering you?”
The whole spectacle was damaging to Bush, who seemed to the general public to be unreasonably avoiding debates – and to be coming unhinged as his opponents called him on it. Eventually, the Bush campaign realized this, shifted gears, and consented to three October debates (which also included Ross Perot, who re-entered the race at the start of October). But his September posturing had made Bush look afraid to stand on the same stage as his opponent.
Bush and Carter paid a price because of political clumsiness. The lesson of the modern era is clear: Voters expect debates, and you can’t duck them. This doesn’t mean voters expect an endless parade of them. As long as a candidate satisfies the public that he (or she) isn’t afraid of debates, the public will give that candidate latitude to pick and choose among proposals and formats. This is why Michael Dukakis’ call for more debates with George H. W. Bush during their second debate in 1988 fell flat. Bush refused, saying they’d debated enough, and the public agreed.
This is also why McCain’s town hall gambit won’t go anywhere. For one thing, it’s too early in the process for the masses to conclude that a candidate is ducking debates. The 18-month Democratic race just ended, and the conventions haven’t even been held. And even if Obama seems resistant to McCain’s challenge, he will also get the benefit of the doubt from most voters, since he just participated in 26 nationally televised debates during the Democratic race. It will take a lot for the public to believe that he is scared to meet McCain face-to-face.
Plus, Obama’s campaign made sure to counter McCain’s challenge with a watered-down offer of their own (basically, one town meeting – on July 4! – one summer debate on foreign policy, and three debates in the fall). It’s not much, and McCain promptly rejected it. But it allows Obama to claim that he made an offer of his own, no matter how much of a nonstarter it was.
A strong case can be made that Obama is doing himself no favors by declining McCain’s challenge. But while he may be missing an opportunity to help himself, he’s not hurting himself, either.

















Wait, you forgot to mention that the 'town hall' meet and greet that Obama was chided for not showing up at was suppose to be populated by people not selected by any campaign. Turns out it was a forum of Republican partisans invited by the McCain campaign. Really, who's the chicken and whose the fox.
Obama has trouble without the teleprompter: he is extremely good at reciting pre-written remarks but struggles mightily when confronted in an open-end format. Witness how he handles the media, how he handled Clinton and how agitated he becomes when people disagree with him. He's been handled with kid gloves and the free-flow of a debate works against him and keeps him off guard. Spectacular free throw shooter and 3 point shooter in practice who has trouble once you defend him.
What it the GOP waiting for? Get volunteers in chicken costumes at Obama events and name it Bok-Bok-Barack! Obama's such a coward, he wouldn't even appear on O'Reilly or participate in a debate because it was being broadcast on Fox News.
Obama has repeatedly shown his strength in refusing to "engage" and thus validate the skunks who keep trying to draw him into a pissing contest......I actually fear for McCain, whom I genuinely admire, when Obama does start debating him, which he surely will. Obama's superior intellect, ability to articulate, and his 40-something-at-peak-function brain may result in unintentional public humiliation for McCain, who is a true hero and public servant. Unfortunately, his timing is off and the people have a better choice.
I think the one fearing here is obviously Saint O or he would have agreed at least to a couple and let an outside group bring in people. Heck if he is smart like the above says he would agree to go on and FOX or anywhere and show how smart he is by taking questions. Heck he runs from the media, does not do question and answer sessions. So he is afraid to speak without someone giving him the words? We have seen the you tube videos and he obviously has trouble without a teleprompter.
Obama isn't really eloquent or articulate. He's an actor. He's theatrical, and he knows how to play to a crowd. But once he goes off script, he becomes very, very ordinary. That much was plain from his deabtes with Hillary Clitnon, who, far from a powerful speaker, beat him rather soundly.
It's no wonder that Obama and his people want to minimize debates. It's the smart thing to do when your candidate is a great orator but basically an experiential and policy zero. Even people who are entirely against the war know that Obama has no idea what's going on in Iraq. His withdrawal policy MAY be better than McCain's, but McCain has a much better handle on the FACTS in Iraq. Putting aside the matter of whose position is best for the country, you just know that McCain would slaughter him in a debate on the subject.
Based on this article, neither Lincoln or Douglas should have taken the bait and showed up at their town center debates. After all they both had been campaigning for a long time and on horse back at that.
I believe that standing on a stage and taking questions from a by-partisan audience is just plain good old fashioned American politics. organized debates with TV star moderators is nothing more that having some ego centric media personality treat the candidates as some sort of animal act at the circus.
These are two Senator's who are supposed to be members of America's great debating club...the US Senate...lets stop the posturing and calculating...and get on with it.
McCain is good in town hall meetings in the way Bush was. When they are packed with his supporters, where the questions and questioners are pretty much pre-screened, he does okay. But he has a bad temper and does not suffer fools well. If he were actually in a forum when Jon Q Public asks him real challenging questions, he is likely to blow up at some point. If McCain had any sort of a lead, he would be ducking town hall debates. But he is losing badly, and that is why he is calling for any format where anything unexpected to happen.
"Have you seen the price of arugula at Whole Foods lately?.
That's why McCain will beat the pants off that Faker.
Obama is AMAZING with prepared speeches, but in an open-format like a Town Hall, he struggles. He apparently doesn't think very fast on his feet. Witness all the Youtube clips of him sounding like a gibbering idiot talking about "57 states" and treating asthma with a "breathalyzer".
Obama can't debate McCain in 10 town halls, or he will lose the election. Period. That's why they won't happen.
Obama is the American Idol candidate--that's what its been reduced to. And, most of those that support him don't have the discipline or attention span to read anything longer than an easy paragraph, much less an entire postion paper. Peel away a couple of layers of the obama onion, you see there's not much there at all. Which makes him easy to manipulate--somebody is puling his strings... The only thing scarier than that, is that viscious, rascist wife of his.
Here, here. Empty suit Obama is what he should be called. I'm very curious to see how the media handles his stumbles this coming Fall.
BHO's wife is a harridan, from the Hillary mold. Imagine her in the East Wing throwing her weight around? Scary.
Look, it's going to be a close race. I'm sorry but the electoral math kinda favors McCain right now, no matter what the latest CNN/CBS/Podunk/Giddyup/MSNBFAKER poll has to say.
McCain, unlike the other Republican candidates will be strong in neighboring New Mexico;
New Hampshire, his home away from home, won by Kerry in 2004;
Colorado and Nevada which Dems had hoped to put into play;
Florida's in the bag, thanks Jewish old people.
All Johnny boy has to do is win the same states GWB did in 2004; make sure he keeps Ohio red, make New Hampshire a net gain, and he's the next prez.
Thanks electoral college.
Ability to articulate??!! Without his telepromter, this guy is no more articulate that our Harvard MBA president. Another problem for Obama is that he is trying to con us into believing that he is something he is not, tougher when unscripted. By the way, did you folks out there know that there are 57 states of Islam?
McCain will need to fasten his teeth cause we dont want a spaz out session and derbris flying etc.
Maybe McCain should start showing up at Obama events and taking questions.
Of course the Obama camp doesn't want to do the town halls- that would risk the Obama bubble being burst by actual interaction.
If Obama agrees to do a townhall, the first question he should be asked is "Why are you the only person in the US who doesn't support BAIPA?" - talk about coming back down to Earth. I'd love to see Obamabots try to explain that one away.
Maybe McCain should start showing up at Obama events and taking questions.
Of course the Obama camp doesn't want to do the town halls- that would risk the Obama bubble being burst by actual interaction.
If Obama agrees to do a townhall, the first question he should be asked is "Why are you the only person in the US who doesn't support BAIPA?" - talk about coming back down to Earth. I'd love to see Obamabots try to explain that one away.
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Afraid to debate!
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Afraid to debate!
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Afraid to debate!
What a bunch of morons complaining on here.
You idiots who claim Obama is lost without his TelePrompTer are delusional. You make it very obvious that you have NEVER seen Obama speak in person. He is going to sink McCain! McCain can't even speak well when he DOES have a TelePrompTer! We all saw how confused and bumbling McCain is WITH and WITHOUT a TelePrompTer.
Kabookey: Obama did agree to Town Hall style meetings, put down your koolaid and start paying attention! He proposed several which McCain refused.
McCain refuses because in Obama's events there will TRULY be Democrats, Republicans and Independents and NOT like McCain's events that are nothing but McCain supporters.
Obama is smart enough to know when he's being set up and you people can't handle it!
Why is John McCain SO AFRAID to face an audience that is NOT only his supporters?
From where I stand it is John McCain who is the Chicken!
I nearly shot coffee out my nose at "Bok-bok-Barack." A cookie for you sir.
I'm confused about this BAIPA thing. I tried looking it up, and it seems to be a bill passed in 2002, by unanimous consent, before Obama was in Congress. Another right-wing smear? I can't find any connection to Obama except for anonymous posts that he "voted against it twice." How could he vote against something that no one voted against, before he was a Senator?
hope and change in 08
change to socialism
hope that no one questions your marxist policies
if thats what you all want, you're crazy
obama has peaked as a candidate. the more we learn about him, the less there is to like
It's interesting how easy Obama supporters dismiss his many "about faces" on so many issues including townhalls.
So full of audacity was Barack that he said he would be willing to meet McCain "anytime, anywhere". Apparently when told he would have to answer questions (and actually make substantive arguments) on policy from all over the political spectrum, he was courageous enough to say "change, hope, dreams." And the Obamabots applauded.
was in the illinois state senate
try google :)
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html
Identical bill came up in the State Legislature of Illinois. Obama killed it.
link with more info: http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html
A Harvard lawyer and senator not "quick enough on his feet" to debate? You people are nuts. Nevermind that he just did 26 national debates with HRC. The real reason McCain wants these town hall debates is so he can see what it feels like to stand in front of a large, enthusiastic (for Obama) audience! Poor McSame can't even draw flies without luring them with hate, fear, and good old boy, painfully stupid rhetoric.
Get over yourselves, hillbillies. Your day is done. Now the rest of us can get on with rebuilding American honor and prosperity.
Yes, McCain always does well in town hall meetings when speaking off the cuff:
"We have drawn down to pre-surge levels."
"Maybe 100," McCain replied. "As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed, it's fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you..."
"Bomb, bomb, bomb.... bomb, bomb Iran...."
"My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will - that will then prevent us - that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East."
Obama's brilliant refusal to engage has made him a tableau that others can press their image of America against. It has allowed large groups of people who would not support someone with his views to do so, and as long as he keeps it up, his chances of winning this election are considerably better then McCains. I think McCain is trying to smoke him out of this extremely defensible position, but it will be hard to do, as Obama knows quite well that every time he gets too specific on policy, he drops in the polls, as that really is not why people are voting for him.
Outright lies. Constant use of caps lock is a dead giveaway.
I would be astonished if you actually believed what you just said. Obama has proposed having only 1 townhall (on July 4). McCain has already accepted invitations from the Ronald Reagan Library and the LBJ Library to have townhalls. In addition he has reserved every Thursday for a townhall with Obama- should Obama choose.
And obviously you have never watched a McCain townhall where he is frequently challenged by questions from across the political spectrum and explains why he holds his position.
Obama is an excellent teleprompter speaker but poor at thinking on his feet. McCain is the opposite- poor behind a teleprompter, but better on his feet.
well done you pulled 4 quotes from hundreds of townhalls that McCain has done.
the first quote was a mistake. the second one is a perfectly valid statement that you just don't understand. the third a crappy attempt at humor to a question asked humorously (another mistake for sure). the fourth is a bit exaggerative i guess but hardly damaging.
Baraack refused McLame's set-up audience like the one he had last Thursday when EVERY attendee had received invites from the McReam campaign. Plus, it was only allowed to be televised by False News. Why should Mr Obama supply McAdulterer with an audience (via TV) & step into the headlight beamed by only him (McLimp). That's the aspect not covered by the pro-McScheme press. NO WHERE do you read in the MSM that Obama refused to follow along with the terms that McWimp dictated. The latter refuses to compromise because he wants to set it up in his pitiful favor. Why should Obama concede to the person who is behind in the polls.
If you think ths publication is NOT in the tank for McLimp, then why the title while not disclosing th real reason Obama turned him down from the Reuglican stacked townhall format????