The Real Estate

The Local: More Kids Dating SoHo, Marrying Upper East Side

The Folks Are There—'The Housekeeper Comes Over to Clean for Me!'

the dancing kids via flickr.

Most children dream of moving to New York City, L.A., or another big city when they grow up. Some manage a post-college stint in the Big Apple before they pack it in and move back to the home they know. A few even stick around long enough to earn the right to call themselves New Yorkers.

But what if you grew up in New York, say, in the insulated, quaint little bubble that is the Upper East Side? Twenty-somethings born and bred on the Upper East Side used to flee to the city’s grittier environs for their ephemeral, post-collegiate rebellion, but now such neighborhoods are few and far between on the island; and a subconscious, often suppressed, aversion to crossing the bridge is deeply imbedded in the psyche of most Upper East Siders from birth.

Whether drawn by the affordable-apartment stock, preference or practicality, these days many native Upper East Siders are forgoing the once de rigueur, quarter-life existential crisis altogether and moving straight back to the neighborhood they grew up in—often just a stone's throw from Mom and Dad.

Jamie Fleck, 26, grew up in the Carnegie Hill neighborhood on 92nd Street between Fifth and Madison avenues. When he left college he immediately bought a place about 20 blocks south and never even considered leaving the neighborhood.

“I plan to live on the Upper East Side for my entire life,” Mr. Fleck said assuredly. “I’ve seen other places, but I’m just use to the quiet Upper East Side lifestyle. I think its one of the few areas in New York that hasn’t changed."

When Abigail Cusick graduated from Skidmore, like many other college grads, she moved back to her parents’ home on 12 East 88th Street for a stint. A year later she took over her sister’s lease on a one-bedroom apartment on 89th and Park, just two blocks away from the cozy, terraced duplex of her childhood.

It would be impossible to find a comparable apartment for $2,500 a month below 23rd Street—the neighborhoods preferred by young Manhattan apartment seekers, according to brokers—but Ms. Cusick said her decision to stay put on the Upper East Side was based “entirely on location." Whether she’s going to work in midtown or downtown, the 6 train is “right there.” Having her parents close by has also proven convenient, she said.

“I can go over for dinner," Ms. Cusick said, "the housekeeper comes over to clean for me, I can stop by and pick up a bottle of wine; I get to play with the dog, then return it. It’s nice.”

Lately, a lot of her high school friends have moved back uptown after getting SoHo, the Lower East Side, or Chelsea out of their system, she said.

“At a certain point, being downtown just looses its appeal," she said, "you wake up and its like waking up in the apartment you partied in the night before."

Stylist JoJo Cohen moved to Gramercy Park for about two years after she graduated from the University of Southern California, but last September decided to move back uptown to 62nd and Park—just a block from the apartment she spent much of her childhood in and where her bicoastal parents still spend half their time.

“I missed the familiarity of the Upper East Side and what I was used to,” she said of why she decided to leave Gramercy Park. “I loved living downtown but I almost felt like a visitor in Gramercy. Here, I have the same dry cleaner I’ve used my whole life, the same restaurants I’ve always known; I have friends that live near by, I walk everywhere. … Between work, shopping and restaurants, I feel like I never leave the Upper East Side now unless I’m going out."

The neighborhood associated with starched collars, debutantes and stuffy society doyennes is also home to some of Manhattan’s least expensive housing on the avenues and streets east of Third.

Though the Upper East Side remains a family-oriented neighborhood, it has become increasingly attractive to newly-employed 20-somethings looking for something affordable with more space, said a broker at New York City Dwellers, Hassan Abadi.

“About a year and a half ago, the younger generation started asking to live on the Upper East Side and I would say it's getting to be as popular as Chelsea,” Mr. Abadi said. “If their budget allows they still usually want to go to below 23rd Street to NoHo, the East Village or the Lower East Side. But the Upper East Side is no longer the neighborhood of last resort; that’s Midtown West, I’d say. Generally they don’t like the Upper West Side either, because it's too industrial, I think.”

Even the most satisfied, young, life-time Upper East Siders admit there are some pitfalls to the neighborhood, like the overcrowded 6 train and 86th Street.

“My sister, who is seven years my senior, wasn’t even allowed to walk down 86th Street when she was in high school and now they are charging two million and up for these apartments,” Ms. Cusick said of the luxury condos in development on the Upper East Side’s most incongruous commercial strip. “I think it’s laughable when you think about it 10 years ago. … I mean, it's still 86th Street. It’s where classes collide."

Since 86th Street is on the route of uniformed students traveling to school, businessmen commuting to the Financial District and the thousands of domestic workers coming from north of 125th Street everyday, 86th Street is indeed a microcosm of the Upper East Side, said 26-year-old Yasmin Dovas.

“Around Second there are a lot of young people now," she said. "From Second to Lex you’ve got Wall Street types going to work; then you get to Park and start to see all the cute moms going to Dean & Deluca. Obviously, you also have the uniformed housekeepers and nannies watching kids because this is the Upper East Side, after all.”

Despite the uncomprehending and snarky reactions from some of her downtown-dwelling friends, Ms. Dovas bought a $700,000 studio on 85th and Second immediately after returning from a post-college stint in Australia.

“Sure, they are wondering what the hell I’m doing up there when everything is happening downtown and everyone wants to be in SoHo, but I love it here and couldn’t live anywhere else,” she said. “There’s this strange thing about New York where no one leaves their neighborhood, so you have to live close to home and this is home to me.”

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Kat (not verified) says:

Wow I was born and raised on the upper eastside . It is home for me to, but it is a shame that a studio apartment on good ol 86 st. is the price of a small island!!
Some of us grew up in grand apartment's on lex and third and so on but maybe we cant even afford a cab ride to Soho because we do not have a housekeeper and mommy and daddy a few block's away to pay for everything. The landlord's on the upper eastside harrass people such as me ,that are native;s with an apartment that are just able to pay our rent. Maybe some of us are not on wall street and are poet's or painter's or perhap's a pianist. maybe it is home and wher'e my root's are but gosh darn the upper eastide ain't the uppereastside anymore!!!! I mean just friging look at 86 street. Not to sound angry it's just that it's so sad.

Anonymous (not verified) says:

I'm so glad I left the Upper East Side for the "industrial" West Side a few years ago. The sense of entitlement is unreal on the East Side, as this article makes plainly obvious.

Reality Bites (not verified) says:

Geez. Good luck to the kids in affording the lifestyle of their parents...it will be the story of a generation. Thanks a lot Boomers.

Jonathan (not verified) says:

Message to Kat: Learn English

As far as the UES I must say that with the recent influx of third worlders things have changed. People that would have been cleaning my shirts a generation ago are now living next door.

I must say that the nouveau riche are generally course and seemingly-unaware of common courtesy and decorum. Other than that I don't mind 'returnees' as long as they leave their gritiness below the 60s'

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Message to Jonathan....go buy some diaper's.....

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Jonathan...it's "coarse" you pleb. At least above 14th it is. Any immigration class would sort that bit of English out for you. Maybe you could teach Kat.

Oh and I'm from Ohio.

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Message to the two 'anonymous' posters- ashamed to use your names- a single typo does not represent my knowledge of the English language-

BTW- The 'comments' section is for comments on the 'article' my comment-challenged friends- but you do prove my point anyway. You are either part of the bridge and tunnel troglydite community :), OR could it be that you are both the type of third-worlders that would resent the truth?

jedlo (not verified) says:

What's wrong with the bridge and tunnel crowd?

dave (not verified) says:

What's wrong with the third world?
Who want's to face the truth?
Kat is on the mark. The yupper eastside has gone to the bird's.

PR (not verified) says:

I'm from Europe and I've been to NY as well as all over the world. I just don't understand what's the thing about Upper East Siders. They came from immigrant families and settlers. They were the scum of the old continent... they ate dirt to survive...they made it in the so called "New World" and their offspring see themselves as untouchable royalty. Don't mean to offend people across NY and the US but you people are getting a tad bit overwhelmed by money, celebrities, gangsta rap lifestyles and Paris "Who?" Hilton.
Why do you UESiders have your head so far up your arse? The great thing about NY is the multicultural environment. There is so much more happening in a single city than in most countries in the worlds. Even if most people there have to get their own hands dirty to carry on living it doesn't mean you can't learn from them. Actually, I'm way more impressed with their life stories and tales than your boring conversations about your daddy's private jet or Abigail Van Zeller's shennanigans last Summer in the Hamptons. You people end up being the shallowest individuals in that city. You're missing it all. You're wasting a lifetime you pretensious little pricks. And the funny thing is comparing the real european royalty to those little persons living on the UES. That's when your own definition of Noveau Riche comes in handy. Maybe some should tattoo that across their chests...ungrateful punks.

E.S. (not verified) says:

PR, word up.

anonymous (not verified) says:

To PR stay in Europe we do not need you here.
Low class Euro trash.

Bruno (not verified) says:

I really appreciated this article. I am another example of someone who grew up on the upper east and then post graduation moved downtown for a year. After my year in hipster land, I was happy to move back uptown. I now live in a great building on 86th and Madison with a great apartment at a price that I would not be able to find anywhere in the Soho area. With the new gentrifiction of 86th, East of Park, I have high hopes for the future of the neighborhood. I have a Dean & Deluca in my building and can take my dog running in central park on the weekends. What more could you want? The only thing I miss is having up and coming restaurants in walking distance, now I have to drive or take a cab. UES 4 Life.

Anonymous cali (not verified) says:

The new gentrifiction on the upper eastside suuucks!!!
There is not much flavor.

THIRD WORLD (not verified) says:

Maybe the third world is biting stupid bitches assess (yeah Jonny you bitchy ass)

Some "Natives" of New York are just plainly and pathetically 100% PROVINCIAL.

Have they ever heard of postmodernism and post-colonialism and that has to do with class and race issues?

Jonny have you been hiding your head in your ass for like the past 50 years?

Maybe expecting the servants to grow a brain for brainless UPPER-EAST child is not enough...

Truth is difficult to see for culturally challenged OAFS: all that is useless to others and fail to adapt just dies...toddles Johnny!

Anonymousgail (not verified) says:

Third world, chill out and drink a cappucino.

ann (not verified) says:

message to Jonathan: Learn grammar, spelling and punctuation.

Anonymousjilli (not verified) says:

Message to Joathan, put on some diaper's.

AnonymousAndrew (not verified) says:

As a teenager I lived with my parents at 82nd and Madison, but for many years now have lived in Brooklyn Heights, which was the first neighborhood to be Landmarked. During a recent long medical stay at Sloan Kettering I was stunned to realize how tremendously built up the UES has become. There are hundreds of giant highrises in the area now that weren't there was I was a teenager. The area north and East of Lexington and 86th, for instance, has gone from low-rise to nearly all high-rise, with more and more people shoehorned into the same area.

I know I would hate to be back in the UES now, with all the German and Hungarian restaurants gone, the Lexington Avenue subway a total cattle car during rush hour, and the green, leafy low-rise streets I remember a thing of the distant past. But if you're happy there, who am I to say nay?

THIRD WORLD (not verified) says:

PR, totally d'accord!!

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Jonathan, learn english.

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Jonathan, put on some diaper's.

Jake Brodesky (not verified) says:

Just a great article. I'm from Boston and go to school in Chicago. My sister just moved to Mid-West(53rd and Broadway) and is dating a financial type living in the UES. Just goes to show you what a truly dynamic place NYC is. Good to hear it as a semi-outsider, with an occasional look in. Thanks again.

Jake

jonathan sadlittleguy (not verified) says:

UES always was, always will be the most boring neighb in the city. That's why it became cheap because it's dull and ugly and now overbuilt, dull and ugly. I don't mean Park, Madison and 5th of course, that's crazy high end, storied buildings of wealth and legend, but 1st, 2nd and sad, depressing York. Please, all you Jonathans stay up there, keep getting those shirts pressed, cling onto your cold sense of superiority.

Robert Mercer (not verified) says:

Jonathan is hilarious. He castigates the bridge-and-tunnel crowd on class grounds yet is, by all indications, functionally illiterate.

He didn't know the difference between "course" and "coarse"; used en dashes in lieu of commas; and then butchered the word "troglodyte."

And they make fun of New Jersey?

Johnny, if you want to play the snooty UES type, you can't write like a doorman.

This is precisely the kind of talentless jackoff who is coddled on the UES. They parlay their family's money into fancy schools and then spend the next 20 years sitting around, waiting for their parents to die.

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Jonathan, grow up!

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Jonathan, do your laundry!

Jay (not verified) says:

I grew up deep inside bklyn, now living in the East 70's.
I bought back in '96, back when apts were still being given away, RE being thought a dull investments and coops too risky no matter how cheap they became.

I Accept the UES for what it is. Acceptable, not cutting edge restaurants and few places for good jazz or entertainment.
But if I want to be entertained or meet babes from outside the UES, then I leave for the day. [Funny, sometimes I'll meet other UESiders who have done the same]. On a positive note, the service is far better and lacks the nasty attitude often presented to UWSiders by their buildiing's staff.

Best of all, one get to watch the westward migration as the single I luv "sex in the city" girls move to the UWS for the rest of their 'lives'.

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Jay you sound like a complete moron.

Anonymous (not verified) says:

Jonathan, go wash the dishes!

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