McCain's Challenge on Security

Justice Kennedy started the fireworks. As the deciding vote in the landmark Supreme Court decision which extended habeas corpus rights to detainees held at Guantánamo he not only made legal history -- he set off one of the heated debates of the presidential campaign. John McCain argued that Barack Obama is weak on terror. Obama argued that McCain is George Bush revisited.
If you redacted the names you might think it was 2004 and the candidates were George W. Bush and John Kerry. Back then Kerry accused his opponent of frittering away America’s reputation and disregarding the sensibilities of the international community. Bush derided Kerry for being soft on terror and holding America hostage to the “international test.”
That argument is being replayed in the wake of the Supreme Court’s controversial decision. McCain and his surrogates accuse Obama of being naïve and reverting to a “criminal justice” approach to fighting, just as Bush claimed Kerry did. Obama applauded the Supreme Court’s decision and could find no “credible scenario” under which the decision would put Americans at risk. McCain, he said, was playing the “politics of fear.” In short, we were back to the same old dichotomy: foolish liberal vs. fear-mongering conservative.
The question is whether times have changed and whether McCain can be as successful as Bush was in playing the national security card.
McCain claimed the initial advantage when Obama’s advisers let on that the Supreme Court decision would grant habeas corpus rights to Osama bin Laden. As Jake Tapper put it, “Regardless of the merits of the jurisprudence argument, Osama bin Laden's rights are not a good political topic.” So if the argument is giving trial lawyers free rein to spring terror leaders, McCain will likely win this issue going away.
It did not help matters when Obama slipped up, suggesting that the model procedure was the Nuremberg trials, which of course were military proceedings lacking any habeas corpus or other procedural rights familiar in civilian courts.
But the danger for McCain is that he, not known for finesse, will be labeled as the rogue candidate who opposes the rule of law. It takes time and a certain amount of tedious detail to explain that McCain favored a military tribunal system over the Bush administration objections, but thinks full-blown legal proceedings in civilian courts is a bridge too far. It takes even more time to explain why a civilian proceeding may not be suited to prosecuting terror suspects.
It requires patience and daily effort to explain what McCain favored, what the Supreme Court accomplished and what potential dangers lie ahead. For Americans frankly tired of hearing about terror suspects and eager to move on to gas prices, health care and social security, it is a steep communications hurdle. It is even steeper for a candidate who has such a shaky relationship with teleprompters.
And that may be the biggest challenge McCain faces: getting Americans to believe that terrorism continues as an ongoing and immediate threat to their safety. In some sense it is a problem born of success, namely the absence of any domestic terror incident since 9/11. Occasionally we hear of a thwarted terror plot or a released Guantánamo prisoner who turned up back on the battlefield, but the immediacy, and hence the political utility, of the war on terror has diminished with the passage of time.
So if McCain is going to benefit from this debate and convince Americans that Obama is John Kerry in a more attractive package, he will not only need to do things like explain his own record and a bit of constitutional law, but convince voters that this issue matters a great deal, perhaps more than any other. For a candidate not known for great speech-making or for staying on message, that’s a lot to ask.

















Their is only one way to deal with terrorists and that to get them before they Kill us.
They have only one goal our DEATH. If you are captured by a terrorist do you have "HABEAS CORPUS RIGHTS" ????????????
We are at "WAR" with an enemy that uses women and children as bombs. They have "NO RIGHT" i repeat "NO RIGHTS"
VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps It is US or THEM
Their is only one way to deal with terrorists and that to get them before they Kill us.
They have only one goal our DEATH. If you are captured by a terrorist do you have "HABEAS CORPUS RIGHTS" ????????????
We are at "WAR" with an enemy that uses women and children as bombs. They have "NO RIGHT" i repeat "NO RIGHTS"
VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps It is US or THEM
MCAMNESTY IS NO "NATIONAL SECURITY" CANDIDATE
McAmnesty has facilitated the invasion of our country by over 25 million illegal aliens and terrorists with his open borders, refuse-to-enforce-the-immigration-laws actions, in violation of Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution, which REQUIRES the federal government to protect the states from invasion. In addition, he advocates continuing to send our exhausted National Guard and regular military troops to the Middle East, when they are needed to protect us against the chaos flooding here from Mexico and devastating our cities. Will you punditzes PLEASE quit referring to McAmnesty as the "national security" candidate? He is just the opposite--a neo-con globalist sellout of our country.
I have decided to drop out of the race and endorse Barack Obama. I have also finally learned how to use a computer.
John McCain
I'm proud to say I live in a country founded on the principle that the government can't scoop people off the street and lock them up forever without telling them what they did wrong or ever charging them with a crime.
I sleep well at night knowing my government is doing its best to keep me and my family safe. But I sleep even better knowing that black-clad G-men wearing masks aren't going to drag me out of my house in the middle of the night just because my next door neighbor "swears" he saw a "suspicious" car parked outside my house.
The irony is that without habeas corpus a terrorist can take away your life without shooting a single bullet or blowing up a single building. All he has to do is call the police and anonymously report you as a terrorist. Good luck getting out of jail or proving your innocence without habeas corpus.
We're the land of the free and the land of the brave. But we sometimes forget that freedom requires bravery. Bravery to walk down the street even though every stranger could be a terrorist. Bravery not to lock up every person who seems a little weird. Bravery to go out on a limb and embrace the risky ideal that people really are innocent until proven guilty -- as our country's founders clearly and bravely intended.
Rubin doesn't get it. Obamam never called for Nuremberg style hearings for bin Laden or al Qaeda members - he simply stated that even the monsters of the Third Reich faced justice through a procedural hearing - and for the US to hold uncharged and untried prisoners in Gitmo was wrong - plain old wrong - and that the constitution is ALWAYS the framework that guides us.
That's all...
M.K. Read the opinion. The decision had to do with granting habeas rights to aliens, held abroad, outside the sovereign land of the United States. It had nothing to do with the habeas rights of citizens, which was undisputed, or indeed, the habeas rights of aliens within the borders of the United States. In the companion decision in Munaf v. Geran, also decided on June 12, the Court (all members) recognized that U.S. courts had habeas jurisdiction over U.S. Citizens in military custody in Iraq even when they were being held abroad (Iraq) for crimes committed abroad (in Iraq). The U.S. Constitution applies to citizens -- it is a political pact between and among citizens and their government.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I was talking about how humans ought to be treated and the fact that I'm proud to live in a country where humans are given the opportunity to be proven innocent until proven guilty.
Meanwhile, it isn't as if these "aliens" were picked up off of our streets. Is it your opinion that the U.S. Government has the right to pick up people in other countries and detain them indefinitely whether we have evidence that they've done anything or not? And would you limit that right to people we pick up in Afghanistan and Iraq, or can the U.S. also imprison at our option anyone we choose to arrest in Canada, Mexico, the UK or China?
Legal or not, it is a fairly basic precept that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, and locking up people we pick up around the world isn't likely to guarantee that we'll treated well when we travel abroad.
Jennifer Rubin, a neocon who also graces the pages of the AIPAC propaganda sheet Commentary, informs us that the Nuremburg tribunals didn't recognize habeus corpus. Rubin has a low opinion of her readers' intelligence, for there was never any doubt about the legality or justice of the Nuremburg proceedings.
At least, there was never any doubt by most people. Apparently the neocon Rubin thinks the Nazis didn't get fair trials. Remarkable, to say the least.
Ahhhh, come on -- you know Obama is not "Kerry," he's Carter!
Now that comment above is funny...I don't care who you are.
Be prepared, if Barack Osama wins, we are in for one hairy ride...