What If Moynihan Station Doesn't Happen?

As optimism about the Moynihan Station project morphs into uncertainty, Governor Spitzer, the man at the helm of the endeavor, faces a crucial test in coming weeks, as he turns with an open hat to City Hall and Washington for nearly $1 billion in funding.
The grand plan, which would allow for $14 billion in total investment and would include a redeveloped and expanded Penn Station and a move of Madison Square Garden to the neighboring Farley Post Office, seems on the edge of collapse, many involved say.
Without funding commitments soon, the project as is could easily unravel toward a scaled-back version—or to nothing at all, condemning generations of commuters to the same old Penn Station.
Mr. Spitzer’s funding push comes as the Dolan family, owners of Madison Square Garden, edges closer to a renovation that would effectively thwart the current Moynihan Station plan. The Dolans, eager to shed the reputation of having the NBA’s second-oldest arena, seem to be unhappy with the pace of the plan’s progress.
The reputation of the governor, who recently had to scrap a Jacob K. Javits Center expansion amid cost overruns, would likely suffer a big loss in any Moynihan Station collapse. But his reputation wouldn’t be alone.
Advocacy groups, including one represented by Maura Moynihan, daughter of the station’s namesake, the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and the Bloomberg administration, along with numerous elected officials, would also lose. And, finally, Moynihan Station co-developer Vornado Realty Trust, headed by chairman Steven Roth, would lose, as its eight million square feet of commercial space in the immediate area would shed a lot of potential added value.
Of course, failure is far from foregone. State and city officials say the grand plan for Moynihan Station remains alive—and, if not doing well, it is moving along, they say.
Thus far, $550 million has been pledged to the Penn Station redevelopment part of the Moynihan plan from developers Vornado and the Related Companies. The state will likely seek more, given the financial reward that both firms would receive from development connected to Moynihan Station.
(The Pataki administration pushed a $900 million plan for making a portion of the Farley building into a train hall. The redevelopment of Penn Station alone, under the current Moynihan plan, would likely take well over $2 billion.)
The state and the city have pledged $300 million each to the Penn Station project. The Spitzer administration is pushing for a further contribution of $200 to $300 million from the city and the state combined, according to a state official. An agreement has yet to be reached; and the city is unlikely to agree to that amount, said another source close to the negotiations.
As for the federal government, officials say they are pushing for support in the form of various transportation and homeland security bills, among other legislation.
The chairman of the U.S. House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, Representative James Oberstar of Minnesota, toured the Moynihan Station site last month, a committee spokeswoman said; the developers and state are looking to New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg, a project supporter who serves as the chairman of a Senate subcommittee on transportation. Other federal legislators have toured the site as well, and more are expected to do so.
“The governor is personally focused on this project, and we’re working the federal funding piece and the rest of the project daily,” said Patrick Foye, the downstate chairman of the Empire State Development Corporation, which oversees Moynihan.
Mr. Foye, who highlighted the state’s dealings with Senators Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer and with U.S. Representatives Charles Rangel and Jerrold Nadler of Manhattan, said there was “a fair amount of work still to come” on the federal funding.
Indeed, $800 million from Washington, an amount Mr. Foye has said the Spitzer administration seeks, would be a very substantial contribution compared with similar projects. (The smaller version of Moynihan Station backed by the Pataki administration and once slated to cost $900 million was to receive about $130 million in federal funding.)
In a statement, Mr. Schumer made clear that securing the amount desired by the state would be difficult. “This is a very important project, and we are going to do everything we can to see it through, but a significant federal investment is going to be a very heavy lift, especially under this administration,” he said.
The direct path of action to bring in money for the current station plan also seems unclear.
Mr. Nadler, in a statement, said he and the state are in “early stages” of discussing funding for Moynihan Station. “When we have all the information in hand about funding, Congress can help support this worthy project,” he said.
A long list of major capital improvement projects in the New York area craving federal funding could also hamper the ability of New York’s Washington representatives to snag monies. While many elected officials say Moynihan Station is a priority, so, too, are these other projects. To name a few: the chronically underfunded Second Avenue Subway; the East Side Access rail project, for which the Metropolitan Transportation Authority needs hundreds of millions to complete; and the multibillion-dollar freight-rail tunnel between New Jersey and Brooklyn currently being studied and close to the heart of Mr. Nadler. Next Page >




















The worst joke is Maura Moynihan. This project is worse than the Jets stadium and will cost taxpayers much more. Who really wants MSG on 9th Ave, with it's signs and banners killing the stately appearance of the old Post Office?
And after pandering from Quinn and others about taking away the MSG $10M/year tax break, they'll give it right back (and more) to the Dolans in a cooked-up deal for a new MSG.
The area doesn't need 80-story office towers just to satisfy Steve Ross and Steve Roth's need for more genitalia.
Find the dollars. Focus on Penn East. Very easy to do. There's a lot of waste in current transit facility plans.
- Forget about Farley. Find another more preservationist friendly use. Sure its grand but who needs the struggle?
- Allow the Garden to move to Herald Square on the site of the Manhattan Mall. Vornado all ready owns that property. Tenants are tired. Give Vornado whatever they need to make that work economically. Perfect location! Connect Penn Station to PATH.
- Place NJ Transit back into the main Penn Station project. Use NJT's Farley development dollars to close the gap.
- Direct ARC project to use or expand existing Penn East platforms. Have NJT, Feds and PANYNJ forget about funding new concourse under 34 street. New concourse has no thru tracks - not useful long term. ARC should run straight to Penn. Save really BIG dollars.
- Free up Penn platforms by moving forward with LIRR running to Grand Central via east side access.
- Use existing platforms at GCT. Save significant dollars by not building new deep concourse at GCT for LIRR/East Side Access. No need - GCT is the largest train station in the world right?
- Reduce the amount of dollars spent downtown by PANYNJ on PATH. Calatrava's design is great but its not worth the cost overrun. Spend those dollars developing AirTrain direct service.
Lets build this great train station.
New York: Put the money into Second Avenue subway and other transit improvements. Amtrak: Make safety and cosmetic changes to existing Penn Station. Roth/Ross: develop the sites you own "as of right."
In other words, save us New Yorkers 100s of millions subsidizing real estate speculation!
"- Direct ARC project to use or expand existing Penn East platforms. Have NJT, Feds and PANYNJ forget about funding new concourse under 34 street. New concourse has no thru tracks - not useful long term. ARC should run straight to Penn. Save really BIG dollars."
Penn does not have the track capacity to handle the additional traffic from the THE project. It's pretty much operating at capacity now. THE would only need through tracks if that station were intended to service LIRR/Amtrak, which it's inconceivable would ever occur. If they ever decided to do that, the could run those few trains through the existing tunnels/trackage to PENN/East River Tunnels/Hell's Gate Bridge.
"- Free up Penn platforms by moving forward with LIRR running to Grand Central via east side access."
Tunnel boring for ESA has already begun. The "freed up" platforms are already scheduled for use by increased LIRR service enabled by the Main Line 3rd Track. Tentative plans exist to allow Metro-North to run into Penn.
"- Use existing platforms at GCT. Save significant dollars by not building new deep concourse at GCT for LIRR/East Side Access. No need - GCT is the largest train station in the world right?"
GCT has no additional capacity for LIRR service. Because it is a terminal with no through tracks, trains must sit at the platforms for servicing and when not in use. The lower level of the 63 street tunnel is significantly deeper than the Park Avenue tracks, and connecting the two would be far more expensive than simply using the tunnel boring machines already in use to dig the new platforms. In addition, LIRR and Metro-North use different third-rail systems, forcing heavy modification to the tunnels, tracks and platforms to accommodate the two. At any rate, the Park Ave. right of way operates at capacity during peak hours, so you would need the new tunnel to go all the way to the terminal, forcing prohibitively expensive modification of the existing platforms.
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