Get off the colonization kick. The Sun was always a weird place, well before the LA Times. It's always been hexed. That's why I like the old-time printers. The lowest seniority when I was there was 17 years. I used to go to the shop because they were so personable, far more robust than the likes of the Icabods who roamed the Sun's newsroom. They always taked back. Well before LA Times, I walked into the bathroom one day and the ME was next to me and actually said hi. First time since our interview. I came out and told a female reporter I had a conversation with the the ME. Lucky you, she said. So much for pining for the good old days.