Scott Ritter on 'My Good Friend,' Israel
The great thing about Ritter's speech, before an ambivalent UWS audience, was its bluntness. In that sense, his rhetoric reflected an important lesson of the Iraq war (which Ritter had opposed). We all know, or we ought to by now, that concern for Israel's security played a role in America's disastrous war plans. Yet as Philip Zelikow of the 9/11 commission has said, It was an agenda that dare not speak its name. It was generally cloaked in language about bringing democracy to the Middle East that reporters who knew better parroted. This lack of straightforwardness has damaged the country. It has corrupted our journalism and our thinktanks, it has caused enormous bitterness and mistrust—and justifiably. The feeling many Americans now have that they were lied to about the causes of one of the greatest mistakes in our history is going to echo through our lives for a long time...
I think the lack of straightforwardness reflected Jewish fears of antisemitism; that if a Christian nation was actually put to the test, and the alliance with Israel actually cost American lives, the American people would abandon Israel. And so the Middle East Forum likes to put up feel-good billboards saying, Israel's interest is also the American interest, and Israeli Ambassador Arens likes to say as he did in the Times yesterday that 9/11 put us and you in the same boat, got that? But attack Saddam in part because he has threatened Israel? Friends of Israel don't like to say that. They fear that the average American would do as Borat says they would do—and throw the Jews down the well. Thus: the Israel lobby, which acts to shield the issue from open public debate.
Last night, Ritter said, We're not going to abandon "my good friend, the state of Israel," and I'm going to put that agenda right on the table. Very post-Iraq. I wanted to hug him. Such transparency is essential, when we try to sort out what we're talking about when we talk about Iran.
Of course the sequel to all this is that in identifying this interest baldly, we get to scrutinize it, everyone gets to weigh in, even Americans who are appalled by Israel's racialism and militarism. Last night Ritter said that Israel is out of control, "drunk with hubris, arrogance and power." Jimmy Carter says in a book published tomorrow that Israel's policies in the West Bank are apartheid. And John Mearsheimer says that this small country's policies are hurting our standing throughout the Arab world, and America should therefore insist that Israel change its policies, and we should use our full powers to make that happen; and if Israel fails to heed us, change the relationship. There's a word for what Ritter, Carter and Mearsheimer are doing: discussing.
If it's Tuesday it must mean another polemic from little Phill Weiss about Jews and the LOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
What does he do, does he write about anything else, does he do anything else. Does he go to movies, to the beach. Or does he sit in a room and contemplate the evils of Judaism and Israel. Well Phil, I'm coming clean. We got America into the war. We're behind it all, All the wars, politics everywhere, Holloywood, and don't forget currency movements. Somehow we forgot to shut down Hitler, oops. But of course sacrificing a third of our people was just a brilliant strategic move to create israel and inflict upon the Palestinians, ( leaving aside the fact that when you said Palestinians before 1948 tu meant Jews ) the greatest disaster and oppression that has ever been inflicted by anyone on anyone. Yes Phil you got us. I submited your name to the elders for retribution but something must have got lost in the shuffle. But, continue on your brave quest to expose the Hebrew cabal. It's right up there with hiting the beach Iwo Jima, or going in front of HUAC in 1947, Or bucking Roland Freisler in 1943. The courage of litttle Philly Weiss in exposing us is astounding,
I really don't see how a nuclear iran is a threat to israel, nor how it's any of our business. if they want a nuke they probably want it because we say stuff like "all options are on the table" incessantly.
the iranian nuke phobia is a logical outcome of the effectiveness of the Wall. they don't fear suicide bombers as much anymore, now they fear the thing that can blow up the wall. they traded one fear for a bigger one. and the first one was much more real. if iran nukes israel we'd obliterate them. they know that. iran has been there for thousands of years. the mullahs don't want war with the US.
Hey lester:
The leader of Iran, ( no way I spell his name ) says he wants to wipe Israel of the map. He will soon have the bomb. Enlighten me has to your reasoning, why is this not a real threat. But it is interesting to know that you think that suiced bombers are actually a threat. And how do you know we would obliterate them and what makes you think that they wouldn't see that has an acceptable trade off. They have said so explicitly.
I'm so tired of the ad hominem on this web which I would otherwise like to comment on. Can't you folks make your points without attacking the motivations of those who disagree with you? Surely you don't expect us to read what you have to say when you lead with a personal attack. So how can you expect to change our minds?
Anyway, I'd just like to say one more time that the settlements are illegal and that the fact that the motivate al Qaeda recruits means that they are a mortal threat to me and to all of my fellow American Christians, and to American Jews also.
So I would appreciate it if my fellow American citizens who are Jews would get those who support the settlements under control. That would be a positive contribution in contrast to just making American Christians who want to save their country from disaster feel endangered by libel.
Department of Corrections (of Others' Mistakes about Me)
It's not my custom to reply to mistakes, as this reduces the time available to do my own work and forces me on the defensive, but exceptions must occasionally be made. Here goes: Islam and democracy: An article appeared today "Islam and Democracy?
Mr. Weiss has an interesting book review in the current American Conservative--
http://amconmag.com/2006/2006_11_20/review.html
The chief fault of this book is Stern's resistance to taking on the historian's "metaphysical fluency and ... arrogance" (intellectual qualities he praises in Hannah Arendt) when it comes to Jewish history in the United States. He does not apply to the American scene his knowledge of Bleichroder's presence at Bismarck's side or of the German nationalists' fury toward modernity. This reader kept waiting for Stern's opinion on such issues as: How powerful are Jews in America? How does their role in the economy and the professions compare to Weimar? The obvious question is of course whether our society is capable of seeking the extermination of Jews, but just as interesting is whether the Jewish role in the American establishment has hampered our ability to relate to the Arab world. As it is, the neoconservatives are only glimpsed here, for instance in a crack about how much money Richard Perle has made.
David:
What the fuck are you talking about.
Robert Hume:
The Khartoum summit laid down thr three No's, no recognition of Israel and no negotiations. Resolution 242 specified territories, not "The" territories and that was be design/ The west banks legal status was alwas ambiguous and last but not least. Why the bombings in Londan and Spain if it was simply a question of settlements. And if it was just about the settlements why rockets from Gaza.
Pearlman:
If you and Israel want to go bomb Iran, please be my guest. Just leave America out of it. Olmert has a lot of nerve to come to the White house to demand that American Christian boys go die for Israel. If Israel wants to stop Iran from becoming the second Middle-Eastern nuclear power they should go do it themselves. Where is it written that American boys must die because Israel won't remove its colonies from the occupied territories?
although little phil weiss looks more like a homely version of borat, he appears to be on the same intellectual wavelength as ali g, especially when he attacks israel for "racialism".
is he kidding? i hope so.
big ups and booyakasha.
for the 10,000th time little phil weiss has referenced the same tired little essay, but its been dealt with already by far more incisive minds than his.
Overstating Jewish Power
Mearsheimer and Walt give too much credit to the Israeli lobby.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, March 27, 2006, at 1:47 PM ET
It's slightly hard to understand the fuss generated by the article on the Israeli lobby produced by the joint labors of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt that was published in the London Review of Books. My guess is that the Harvard logo has something to do with it, but then I don't understand why the doings of that campus get so much media attention, either.
The essay itself, mostly a very average "realist" and centrist critique of the influence of Israel, contains much that is true and a little that is original. But what is original is not true and what is true is not original.
Everybody knows that the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and other Jewish organizations exert a vast influence over Middle East policy, especially on Capitol Hill. The influence is not as total, perhaps, as that exerted by Cuban exiles over Cuba policy, but it is an impressive demonstration of strength by an ethnic minority. Almost everybody also concedes that the Israeli occupation has been a moral and political catastrophe and has implicated the United States in a sordid and costly morass. I would have gone further than Mearsheimer and Walt and pointed up the role of Israel in supporting apartheid in South Africa, in providing arms and training for dictators in Congo and Guatemala, and helping reactionary circles in America do their dirty work
"Where is it written that American boys must die because Israel won't remove its colonies from the occupied territories?"
Gene:
Three lies in one paragraph! You must either be a recommended diarist on DailyKos or a valued patient in one of America's finer mental health facilities.
Weiss is right:
ISRAEL RUNS THE WORLD
Intel launches Haifa-developed Quad Core
14 Nov 06
This morning, Intel launched its first quad-core processor, following the launch of its dual-core processor family in the summer. The company's Haifa development center led the development of the new processor technology.
Intel rival AMD is expected to a quad-core processor within a few months.
The processors launched by Intel belong to the Xeon processor family, aimed at enterprise servers, and to the Extreme family for strong workstations suitable for multimedia applications.
According to Intel, the new Xeon processors will deliver a performance improvement of up to 50% over the dual-core processors launched less than six months ago, while for the new Extreme processors Intel claims up to an 80% improvement.
Intel Mobility Group Vice President Ron Friedman, who heads the processor development group at the company's Haifa R&D center, told journalists that there would soon be quad-core processors for portable computers as well.
ISRAEL ALSO PROTECTS THE WORLD: EVERY SINGLE FORTUNE 500 COMPANY USES CHECKPOINT FIREWALLS
"The leader of Iran, ( no way I spell his name ) says he wants to wipe Israel of the map. He will soon have the bomb."
israel has been bellyaching about Irans nuclear program LONG before ahmedinejad was elected. he's been president for like a year. google iran israel nuclear whatever. it's been going on since way before that. israel SHOULD be wiped off the map. it doesn't mean he's going to destroy it with a nuke. he knows israel has nukes. you honestly think the fat corrupt mullahs want the US on their back? and big deal he doesn't believe in the extent of the holocaust. he probably had a biased education like many of us did. like 75% of our firends and neighbors think 9/11 was an inside job. there are conspiracy nuts everywhere.
the Iraq war was for israel. we're not gonna have another war for them. consider it a final payment on humanity's colloective holocaust guilt
It looks like Weiss career has landed him at the dregs of journalism:
According to a July report, multiple sources within and close to American Conservative had revealed that, unless its publishers found new backers, American Conservative would likely cease publishing in the fall of 2006. In late October of 2006, however, the magazine began running ads to hire new staff. The magazine's current financial health is not known.
To Bill Pearlman, wiseking etc.
It gets tiring having you comment on every article, using the same - mostly discredited and very rarely fair - arguments over and over and over again.
It reminds me of the communist youth tactics used where I come from. Dare I say, Stalinist propaganda methods? Ostinato, repetition and "staying on message" is everything.
However, it doesn't work here because you are dealing with well informed people, it is actually self-defeating even if you don't realise and you are only annoying and very often offensive to the intelligence of those who have a reason to visit here and read what Weiss has to say.
If I don't like what I read somewhere I make sure I never visit again. Please give us all a favour and do the same.
Thank you.
P.S. Using the likes of people like Christopher Hitchens to comment on the Lobby was a good laugh. Another clear indication you guys are completely out of your depth here.
This blog is the asshole of The Observer.
Phil Weiss is nasty and has turned this long time Observer reader into an Observer-hater.
It's too bad.
Unscholarly Scholars: Mearsheimer, Walt, and ?The Israel Lobby?
By Peter Berkowitz
March 26, 2006
In the March 23 issue of the prestigious London Review of Books, John J. Mearsheimer, professor of political science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen M. Walt, professor of international affairs and academic dean at Harvard=s Kennedy School of Government, published AThe Israel Lobby.@ Their lengthy essay argues that a loose group of formal lobbyists, op-ed columnists, magazine editors, think tanks, wealthy Jews, and Jews in the Bush administration hijacked American foreign policy and brainwashed the American public and political leadership alike. The Israel lobby, according to Mearsheimer and Walt, has generated Aunwavering support for Israel@ in the United States that cannot be explained in terms of Ashared strategic interests or compelling moral narratives.@
The Mearsheimer and Walt essay is an edited and revised version of a scholarly working paper larded with footnotes but otherwise in all essentials the same and posted at the Kennedy School=s Harvard website. In the US, the paper has provoked a storm of controversy, further stirred up by the enthusiastic endorsement it received from David Duke, former Ku Klux Klan leader and America=s best known white supremacist. Here in Israel, AThe Israel Lobby@ has been embraced by some on the Left as, despite its excesses here and there, a revealing diagnosis of the dangerous influence in America of Jewish neoconservatives and Christian evangelicals, and as an indictment of those supporters of Israel in the US who defended occupation or oppose or are dragging their feet on disengagement.
Yet of the shockingly poor quality of the distinguished professors= analysis there can be little doubt.
Although they assert in their Kennedy School research paper that Athe facts recounted here are not in serious dispute among scholars,@ the professors= analysis has unleashed an army of commentators that in short order exposed the myriad half-truths, gross distortions, ignorant assertions, and defective reasoning out of which Mearsheimer and Walt wove their argument.
It=s not that critics doubt that the Israel lobby in the US has been forceful and effective, but rather, and contrary to the professors= contentions, the critics show that a key reason for the lobby=s success is that the alliance between Israel, the Middle East=s only liberal democracy, and the United States is reasonably grounded in both shared national security interests and justice.
Naturally, speculation is rife about Mearhseimer=s and Walt=s intentions in putting such shoddy work on so explosive a topic before English intellectuals and American university professors already predisposed to believe the worst about the Bush administration and its Jewish neoconservative allies. Perhaps more significant, however, is what their analysis reveals about the intellectual standards of the ostensibly respectable London Review of Books. And what the professors= work says about certain segments of the discipline of American political science at America=s leading universities.
Three examples of the professors= systematic misrepresentation of the facts and the issues must suffice. First, Mearsheimer and Walt observe that, ASince the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing that given to any other state.@ Indeed, as they assert, ?Israel receives about ?$3 billion in direct assistance each year.? But this can hardly be said to Adwarf@ the annual average of over $2 billion in economic and military foreign assistance since 1979 that the US has given to EgyptBwhich for some reason Mearsheimer and Walt fail to mention. Or, for that matter, the almost $1 billion that the US transferred to the Palestinian Authority in the last year of Yasser Arafat=s presidency, about which the professors are also strangely silent.
Second, Mearsheimer and Walt maintain that while the Israel lobby disseminates the myth that Israel is a ADavid confronted by Goliath,@ the truth is more nearly the reverse. To so maintain, the professors must tendentiously argue that, AContrary to popular belief, the Zionists had larger, better equipped and better led forces during the 1947-49 War of Independence.@ In fact, when the five Arab armies, backed by others, invaded the fledgling state of Israel after the Arabs rejected the U.N. partition plan, the Israeli fighters, hardly more than citizen militias at the time, were numerically larger but they possessed considerably less equipment.
Mearsheimer and Walt also misleadingly refer to Israel=s Aquick and easy@ victory in 1967. Such a characterization must ignore the grave danger posed by Nasser=s closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping in May; his expulsion of U.N. soldiers from, and deployment of his own troops in, Sinai; his forming of a military alliance with Syria and Jordan; the mobilization of troops by Iraq, Kuwait, Sudan, and Algeria; and Israel=s daring preemptive air strike on the Egyptian air force which saved the day. Mearsheimer and Walt must also omit to mention the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria on Israel on Yom Kippur 1973, which, but for the last-minute airlift by the United States, would have resulted in the complete collapse of the Israeli armed forces. And although Israel=s conventional forces are today, as the professors indicate, stronger than those of any other single state in the regime, Mearsheimer and Walt must overlook the threat posed by the simmering domestic tensions in all of Israel=s neighbors, none of which are democratic, and must obscure the larger picture in which Israel is a single Jewish state of 6 million surrounded by 300 million Muslim Arabs in numerous states.
Third, Mearsheimer and Walt declare that Israel does not deserve special consideration from the US as a fellow democracy, because, Aunlike the US, where people are supposed to enjoy equal rights irrespective of race, religion or ethnicity, Israel was explicitly founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship.@ In fact, while Israel was founded as a Jewish state it was also founded as a democratic and liberal state, dedicated, according to the promise of its Declaration of Independence, to Athe benefit of all its inhabitants@ and committed to the Acomplete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex.@ It is in part because of that promise, despite the many imperfections of Israel=s practice inside its borders and beyond them in the West Bank and Gaza, that the freest Arab Muslims in the Middle East are the Arab citizens of Israel.
Although they don=t mention it, both Mearsheimer and Walt are leading proponents of a school of international relations theory called realism, which assumes that all states seek to maximize power, and that domestic affairs do not significantly influence a state=s foreign policy, which in the end is driven by the cold logic of national interest. Except, it seems, in the case of the Israel lobby=s pernicious influence over American foreign policy.
Amazingly, the professors have managed to produce a high profile analysis of international relations that both contradicts the theory to which they have devoted their professional lives and which, at the same time, suggests, among other things, that prolonged exposure to that theory robs one the historical, cultural, and strategic understanding necessary to grasp the intricacies of Middle East politics.
March 22, 2006
Accusations of powerful Jews behind the scenes are part of the most dangerous traditions of modern anti-Semitism. So it is with dismay that we read John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt's "The Israel Lobby."
We have known and respected John Mearsheimer for over twenty years which makes the essay all the more unsettling. A long reply to the erroneous history of recent events they present would exceed the length of a letter to the editor. The following must suffice.
First, it is not true that the American relationship with Israel has been "the centrepiece of US Middle Eastern policy." That centrepiece has been and remains access to oil for the United States and for the global economy. As it became apparent during the 1960s that Israel was not merely the only democracy in the region but also a supporter of the West in the Cold War, the American relationship intensified. At that point, support for Israel, which had been strongest among liberals who supported a Jewish state in the wake of the Holocaust, expanded to include the previously less than enthusiastic traditional military and diplomatic foreign policy establishment, some of which was deeply hostile to Israel and suspicious of Jews, to put it mildly. This was not due to the efforts of the Jewish lobby or the power of the five million Jews (in a country of almost 300 million). It was due to an assessment of American national interest made by an overwhelmingly non-Jewish political and military establishment long before Christian fundamentalism became a factor in the Republican Party. It coincided with increasingly close ties with the Saudi regime.
Second, it is not true that the United States went to war in Iraq due to the pressure of a Jewish lobby. Even if the key decision makers were Jews, this would not prove the point about the Jewish lobby. As it happens, primary advisers and war planners for Bush were Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell and Rice and the entirely non-Jewish military leadership, not the usual suspects now trotted out by those peddling stories about Jewish power behind the scenes. Whatever Israel or its supporters in the United States may or may not have wanted, American and British leaders decided to go to war for their reasons grounded in their interpretation of the respective national interest. Saddam Hussein stunned and surprised his military leaders three months before the United States and Britain invaded by revealing to them that indeed, Iraq did not possess weapons of mass destruction. There were many officials in London and Washington - or Berlin and Paris, for that matter - who would have been just as surprised. One need not think the decision to go to war was the correct one to remember that it was not motivated by concerns about Israel's national security. One need not agree that oil below the ground and dictatorship above it posed an immediate threat to recall that British and American (as well as other Western) leaders believed that Saddam with weapons of mass destruction in years to come would have posed a threat to the other Arab oil producing states as much as Israel. Mearsheimer and Walt's realism ignores this conventional threat on the minds of American and British policy makers.
Third, while much opinion in the Arab and Islamic world has rejected the presence of a Jewish state in its midst, anti-Americanism, hatred of Europe (including Britain) and of liberal modernity in general would exist if Israel was not there. Mearsheimer and Walt stand in a long tradition of "realist" political scientists known for naivete regarding the power and import of ideological fanaticism in international affairs. This naivete is the reason that radical Islam and the enduring crises of modernization in the region that produced it receive hardly a word in their long attack.
Fourth, American Jewish citizens have a right to express their views without being charged with placing the interests of Israel ahead of those of the United States. Mearsheimer and Walt's attack appears eight years after the terrorist war against the West declared by Osama Bin Laden; six years after Ehud Barak offered a compromise plan to end the conflict and occupation of the West Bank and Yassir Arafat responded with a terrorist campaign of his own; after countless terrorist attacks all over the world by Al Qaeda and its sympathizers, including the London underground bombings; after repeated acts of terrorist barbarism in Iraq by radical Islamists; the declaration by the Iranian President that Israel should be wiped out and that the Holocaust was a myth; and most recently after the world's first electoral victory with a solid majority won by an openly anti-Semitic terrorist organization, Hamas. Mearsheimer and Walt further ignore that all of this happened also after Israel withdrew from Lebanon; offered the Barak plan; retaliated to the terrorist campaign as any state - including Britain or the United States - would; accepted the principle of a Palestinian state and thus agreed to withdraw from over 90% of the West Bank; and then withdrew completely from Gaza. If the Palestinians had responded to these offers of a compromise peace, they would now have a functioning state perhaps before radical Islam came to dominate their politics. It was radical Islamist and secular Palestinian militants as well, not the Jewish lobby, that destroyed prospects for a compromise settlement.
Were Mearsheimer and Walt's views to win the day in Washington - and we are confident that they won't - terrorists inspired by Islamic fundamentalism would conclude that the terror campaign of recent years has paid handsome dividends among some Western academics, perhaps among some Western politicians. If the United States concluded that it no longer had a vital interest in the continued survival of the only democracy in the Middle East, those now attacking Western modernity might conclude that the Americans could be convinced that defence of Europe - and Britain as well - was also not in the American interest. Turning one's back on one's good friends when times are tough has never been, is not now and will never be a realistic, decent or wise foreign policy.
Sincerely
Jeffrey Herf, Professor, Department of History, University of Maryland
Andrei S. Markovits, Karl W. Deutsch Collegiate Professor of Comparative Politics and German Studies, Department of Political Science and Department of Germanic Languages and Literatures, The University of Michigan
anian newspapers Kehyan and and Resalat have urged Muslims around the world to prepare for a 'great war' to destroy the State of Israel.
The newspapers published the editorials, translated from Persian by MEMRI , the Middle East translation service, to mark 'Quds' day on October 20, an Iranian 'holiday' calling for the "liberation" of Jerusalem and war against Israel.
Iranian war games held recently (Photo: AFP)
"Hizbullah destroyed at least half of Israel in the Lebanon war... Now only half the path (to its destruction) remains," an editorial in the conservative Keyhan newspaper declared.
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"It was proven that, by means of an offensive operation that need not be equal to Israel's moves, it is possible to neutralize the Zionist navy," the article said triumphantly.
'Great war not far off'
It continued: "Just as in one 33-day war more than 50 percent of Israel was destroyed, and the hope of its supporters for the continued life of this regime was broken, it is likely that in the next battle, the second half will also collapse."
"On that day... Jordan will not be able to prevent the Jordanian Islamists from operating through the long Jordan-Palestine border, and the millions of Egyptian Islamists... will not let the Sinai-Israel border remain quiet, and the Syrian Golan Heights will not remain as a (mere) observer of the battle. That day is not so far off."
The Resalat newspaper struck a similarly bellicose tone with an editorial entitled "Preparations for the Great War."
"The great war is ahead of us, (and will break out) perhaps tomorrow, or in another few days, or in a few months, or even in a few Years... Israel must collapse," the newspaper said.
It added: "For the first time in the 60 years of its disgraceful life, the Zionist regime - the West's beloved in the Middle East - tasted the taste of defeat, and the citizens of this regime trembled at the menace of Hizbullah's missiles
Jews and Arabs can never live together, says Israel's vice PM
By Harry de Quetteville in Jerusalem, The Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:13am GMT 05/11/2006
When Avigdor Lieberman, a populist Israeli politician frequently compared to Austria's J
[...bus thousands of Palestinians to the Dead Sea and drown them there,...]
[ Israel's 1.25 million Arab minority was a "problem" which required "separation" from the Jewish state. "We established Israel as a Jewish country," he said. "I want to provide an Israel that is a Jewish, Zionist country. It's about what kind of country we want to see in the future. Either it will be an [ethnically mixed] country like any other, or it will continue as a Jewish country."]
This is the Vice Prime Minister of Israel in a government which includes the Labor party...
There are too many original, juicy quotes by Lieberman, I could post them to anyone's pleasure.
Or I could post some other juicy quotes by prominent Israel Rabbis which are rather embarrassing to those who pretend the extremists live only around Israel and not inside Israel as well. But as we can see, extremists can be found on both sides. And on the highest echelons of governments as well.
Let's see Bill Pearlman defend the extremists on his side now.
Alan:
First of all I happen to like Lieberman. He is the one Israeli politician who doesn't feel the end to prostrate himself at the feet of the Arabs. Personally I hope he ends up has prime minister although he is a litle weak on economics. Second, the big difference is tha Israel is mostly secular with western style lawas and an outlook on core things that liberals and progresssives profess to hold dear. Except when it comes down to Jews. In that case they take the side of the Jihadists. It's amazing that gays and feminists back the Arabs over Israel and the only feasible explanation is out and out Jew hatred.
Lester and Gene:
I ahve to give you guys credit about one thing. You don't sink to nuance. Or to put it another way, " If the kaffiyeh/swastika fits....."
Here is the difference, I want there to be a viable, thriving Jewish state on a miniscule strip of land so that 3500 rs of geting shit on in country after country will come to and end. You guys want the country destroyed and the Jews exterminated. That's what it comes down to, so be it. Lastly, American foreign aid is a small part of Israels GDP. Of course aide to Egypt, Jordan, Indonesia, doesn't seem to bother you but we all know shy. If Israel didn't take foreign aid and the subssuquent strings that were attached then the Palestinians would be a dim memory and Teheran would be a smoky ruin, and Israeli tanks would be siting on the Saudi oil fields. Personally I would prefer that scenario but that's the way that one crumbles. And Gene, I know that you think little Phil is doing the lords work in trying to eradicate us and that Jews catch little Christian kids for Passover and the entire plan is to brilliantly align Christianity against Islam but it may surprise you to know that I'm against the war in Iraq too. For the simle reason that we can;t impose a civil and logical society on the Arabs. The reason is that they are a bunch of demented lunatics. Look at the countries from Casablanca to Karachi except for Israel. The entire Arab Islamic worls bigest industry is terrorism, they don't make anything, they don't do anyting except be animals and personally I don't think that a million Arabs are worth the life of one marine. So, guys the next time your at the I hate the Jews meeting chew on this a little
Bill,
Finally you showed your real colors. It wasn't that difficult to expose someone like you, bigots all think alike, one simply can't miss them, all it takes is a little provocation because they just can't wait to really speak their true minds, they can't help it, you see.
The problem for you and people like you is that normal people hate racism so they despise all brands of racism and all racists. Including you. And all your crying about anyone "hating the jews" ain't gonna cut it anymore, I'm sorry. This card has been played way too often, it got old.
Racism is racism.
Unless you believe that you being a racist bigot who thinks all Arabs are animals should be excused because you happen to be jewish.
Is that it?
Alan, I know what I am, and I believe my opinions about the Arabs and the Islamic world is supported by the facts. You on the other hand couch your anti-semitism in the cloak of liberalism and prgogressive opinion. You want Israel destroyed and all the Jews dead, I don't. I fear an atomic bomb in the hands of Iran, you think it's a great step forward. I pay attention to the Imams, sheiks, and assorted rulers who want my people eradicated from the earth. Your on the side of Hamas, hezbollah, Syria, Al-Queda, the Iranians and all the rest of them. I'm on the side of western civilization, The United States, England, Austrailia, Canada, and yes even the Israel. So, Alan my friend, stick it where the sun doesn't shine and have fun at your next death to the Jews rally.
I think I'm going to call up the elders in Jerusalem and have you evicted from your house. We can do it you know. After being behind all the wars, and the black plauge, not to mention riging the worlds curriencies your not much of an obstacle
Bill,
Remember that Hitler thought that his opinions about Jews were also "supported by the facts".
One would have thought that people would learn something from history, but not when they have been brainwashed like you it seems.
Stop seeing enemies everywhere. Stop being paranoid. Stop accusing people you know nothing about of hating. Stop using this insane victim and weakness mentality when Judaism lives a golden age and Israel is a country with the 5th or 6th strongest army in the world with something like 300 nuclear warheads on top of all the latest in military technology for god's sake!
Take a deep breath, calm down and I urge you, do some independent history researching. There was much more in Zionism than you think. In fact, most thinkers didn
bill and alan;
stop arguing.
we are all out here to agree on one thing;
phil weiss is a douchebag.
Pearlman:
If you want to kill every Arab on the planet and occupy all their lands on the grounds that actually God meant them to belong to you, then be my guest. But when you conduct your genocidial program, just leave America out of it. I'm tired of fighting all your wars for you. And also I'm tired of your attacks on Phil Weissman just because he stands up for America first. Don't you have a day job? Or is this your day job? Are you paid to attack Phil ever day, lest other people read him and be emboldened to actually discuss the elephant in the living room?
alan- they will never "keep america out of it". that's the problem. nor will they go back to their actual borders. if they were capable of either of things I would support them. they are building a gad damn george bush center or something in israel. they've chosen their path.
to the victor goes the spoils. islamic terrorism can't be stopped by militayr power. there are a billion indians and 6 million cowboys. if the pilgrims had faced odds like that they would have turned around or been wiped out at plymouth rock
Does Ritter still troll teen chat rooms looking for 13 year olds he can masturbate in front of at Burger Kings? Just a thought.
big poppa- he was a quitted for that and in fact his wife was with him when he was at the hearing. he claims it was a set up. considering the stuff he was saying and the timing, I wonder just who had it out for him